The idea that this situation can only be resolved from the outside is of the essence in. There is in Israel a psychosis, described well by Mr Levy’s three observations. I experienced all three of these on a kibbutz just after the 1967 war, there is no way back from that kind of delusion short of force. I said, force, but I did not say violence.
It won’t come from the US. There’s been a lot of talk lately about Israel not being the 51st state. I agree. It’s the second Washington DC.
YouTube censors this video by not letting premium YouTube members download it. It just repeatedly displays a confirm dialog box and ask over and over when you click confirm. Fuck them.
I feel the same way. There is no immediate solution, given the attitude of Israelis and its supporters. Israelis and Jews will have to become like contemporary Germans who acknowledge the horrors committed in their name. Jewish pride will not be broken any time soon. For this to happen the American Empire will have to come crashing down. It will happen. How will it happen? I fear for my children who will have to deal with consequences. Such is life!
The Palestinians are martyrs to history bringing an end to this colonial period.
Jews have been acknowledging the horror of the Israeli crimes committed in our names for a long time, it has nothing to do with our pride. Israelis, on the other hand, will eventually be held to account and will acknowledge their crimes. I fear for my western children too.
such is the danger of conflating israel with jews and israeli pride with jewish pride, all of us need to work to avoid this - sorry you are having to face this through no fault of your own
What we currently experience has no comparison with the horrors of the people in Gaza. My mother was in Moscow as a child when the Luftwaffe bombed the city (not too heavily). Somehow her experience was transmitted into my psyche. Perhaps also, growing up in the post-war Europe, I was forced to watch too many war movies. I don't think it is possible to describe how it feels when the death rains from the sky--preceded by those bone-breaking sounds from hell. It is not possible for those who will survive to ever forget this experience either.
All the Abrahamic religions teach that their followers are the chosen people. This lays the ground for the extermination of "lesser" peoples.
Until the late 19th Century and early 20th, people were controlled fairly well by religion and primitive propaganda. As religion tended to lose its iron grip on people's minds, new psychologically based propaganda methods were developed. These harness old social forces in new ways, according to Edward Bernays, the Father of Spin.
The original inspirations of spiritual teachers were twisted by "priestly hands" to support the powerful bureaucracies of major religious organizations. (Joseph Campbell). Political and economic power were the goals, not spiritual evolution.
Gideon Levy's interview truly shows the power of propaganda. Israelis have been told for generations that they are God's chosen people, they are victims, and that the Palestinians are less than human. Now the country is acting on that mythology, creating and insane and vicious bloodbath.
It is much easier to see propaganda in cultures other than the one we live in. We are saturated in a sea of spin in the U.S., and few even notice it (except for a few Useful Idiots).
Besides the barrage we get through our mass media daily, we are programmed from an early age to believe that America is a special nation under God and that manifest destiny is our right. We believe we are the good guys, making the world safe for democracy. To think otherwise, we are thinking "unthinkable thoughts" (Noam Chomsky).
Propaganda is more than disinformation, it is a sophisticated psychological strategy to create public opinion that supports the agendas of the ruling elite. It works with mathematical predictability.
Just shows you yet again---as if we needed more evidence by now---how intrinsically Evil the Abrahamic tradition cults are. It is not the 21 century mass media that is solely responsible for those washed up American brains--- it is centuries upon centuries of brainwashing the little children.
Hi Katie, This was a great interview; I watched it when it was new. One thing I don't understand is why a 2 state solution is not viable. The excuse is because there are so many settlements in the West Bank. WTF?!? Why does that matter? Once the West Bank becomes Palestine the people in those settlements will become Palestinian citizens. If they don't want that, they can move out but that land on which those settlements are will become incorporated by Palestine. In addition, the Palestinians were thrown out of their original properties. It seems to me a turn about is fair play. The settlements become Palestinian property and the current inhabitants can GTFO. Throw them out; why not?
On a slightly unrelated subject: Katie, you were looking for an acronym for Never Again that points out never again is for Jews only. I think I have it NAFOU - Never Again For Only Us.
The idea that this situation can only be resolved from the outside is of the essence in. There is in Israel a psychosis, described well by Mr Levy’s three observations. I experienced all three of these on a kibbutz just after the 1967 war, there is no way back from that kind of delusion short of force. I said, force, but I did not say violence.
It won’t come from the US. There’s been a lot of talk lately about Israel not being the 51st state. I agree. It’s the second Washington DC.
YouTube censors this video by not letting premium YouTube members download it. It just repeatedly displays a confirm dialog box and ask over and over when you click confirm. Fuck them.
I feel the same way. There is no immediate solution, given the attitude of Israelis and its supporters. Israelis and Jews will have to become like contemporary Germans who acknowledge the horrors committed in their name. Jewish pride will not be broken any time soon. For this to happen the American Empire will have to come crashing down. It will happen. How will it happen? I fear for my children who will have to deal with consequences. Such is life!
The Palestinians are martyrs to history bringing an end to this colonial period.
Jews have been acknowledging the horror of the Israeli crimes committed in our names for a long time, it has nothing to do with our pride. Israelis, on the other hand, will eventually be held to account and will acknowledge their crimes. I fear for my western children too.
such is the danger of conflating israel with jews and israeli pride with jewish pride, all of us need to work to avoid this - sorry you are having to face this through no fault of your own
What we currently experience has no comparison with the horrors of the people in Gaza. My mother was in Moscow as a child when the Luftwaffe bombed the city (not too heavily). Somehow her experience was transmitted into my psyche. Perhaps also, growing up in the post-war Europe, I was forced to watch too many war movies. I don't think it is possible to describe how it feels when the death rains from the sky--preceded by those bone-breaking sounds from hell. It is not possible for those who will survive to ever forget this experience either.
tnx
All the Abrahamic religions teach that their followers are the chosen people. This lays the ground for the extermination of "lesser" peoples.
Until the late 19th Century and early 20th, people were controlled fairly well by religion and primitive propaganda. As religion tended to lose its iron grip on people's minds, new psychologically based propaganda methods were developed. These harness old social forces in new ways, according to Edward Bernays, the Father of Spin.
The original inspirations of spiritual teachers were twisted by "priestly hands" to support the powerful bureaucracies of major religious organizations. (Joseph Campbell). Political and economic power were the goals, not spiritual evolution.
Drake Chamberlin
Media & Communication Action Project
https://m-cap.org/
Gideon Levy's interview truly shows the power of propaganda. Israelis have been told for generations that they are God's chosen people, they are victims, and that the Palestinians are less than human. Now the country is acting on that mythology, creating and insane and vicious bloodbath.
It is much easier to see propaganda in cultures other than the one we live in. We are saturated in a sea of spin in the U.S., and few even notice it (except for a few Useful Idiots).
Besides the barrage we get through our mass media daily, we are programmed from an early age to believe that America is a special nation under God and that manifest destiny is our right. We believe we are the good guys, making the world safe for democracy. To think otherwise, we are thinking "unthinkable thoughts" (Noam Chomsky).
Propaganda is more than disinformation, it is a sophisticated psychological strategy to create public opinion that supports the agendas of the ruling elite. It works with mathematical predictability.
Drake Chamberlin
Media & Communication Action Project
https://m-cap.org/
Just shows you yet again---as if we needed more evidence by now---how intrinsically Evil the Abrahamic tradition cults are. It is not the 21 century mass media that is solely responsible for those washed up American brains--- it is centuries upon centuries of brainwashing the little children.
Hi Katie, This was a great interview; I watched it when it was new. One thing I don't understand is why a 2 state solution is not viable. The excuse is because there are so many settlements in the West Bank. WTF?!? Why does that matter? Once the West Bank becomes Palestine the people in those settlements will become Palestinian citizens. If they don't want that, they can move out but that land on which those settlements are will become incorporated by Palestine. In addition, the Palestinians were thrown out of their original properties. It seems to me a turn about is fair play. The settlements become Palestinian property and the current inhabitants can GTFO. Throw them out; why not?
On a slightly unrelated subject: Katie, you were looking for an acronym for Never Again that points out never again is for Jews only. I think I have it NAFOU - Never Again For Only Us.
Thank you.
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