This is the most upside down reporting I've seen in a long time. Shame on you Matt. There is no evidence and if you've seen videos of the Palestinians routinely firing their rifles in the air, at the ground, wherever, you should understand that it is highly likely that they killed her. And why do the Palestinians refuse outside investigation? This is not the first time that the mainstream media (NY Times, LA Times, MSNBC, etc) have found Israel guilty without any evidence. And, many of the past accusations have been proven to be false but they don't get any media attention. Really disappointed in Matt. Katie is a dope anyway so not surprised that she gloms onto this fantasy. Why don't you invite Einat Wilf as a guest so she can explain the errors of your ways.
Alison I think your confused about who you saw firing weapons in the air. Those were different dark skinned people most likely. Israel does not allow Palestinians to own, carry or use firearms. They are enclosed in an open air prison where both water and electric power are controlled and rationed by the illegal apartheid occupation (as defined by international law) that is Israel. Please enlighten me and provide this link to Palestinians "firing rifles in the air and at the ground". Education will set you free, unless you have already decided what you believe despite the facts. Take care.
Palestinian territorial control in Jenin (where the reporter was killed) is under the PLA. Israel doesn't want firearms there but obviously it's not like the smugglers ask them.
For actual evidence of Palestinians shooting, and claiming to hit someone (no Israeli soldiers were actually hit) in this specific incident, see here:
Whatever. She was probably being a terrorist and got shot or was accidentally shot by Palestinians. These idiots just hold a gun out, squeeze the trigger and pray the bullet hits its target.
How am I manipulating you when I ask you to provide some real facts? You claim the Middle East is basically full of stupid primitive people. I'm just asking for some factual evidence for that claim. Is it because we're brown?
Watching anything about Israel (there's rarely anything good), Ned Price, Sullivan, Nuland, Blinken (who expressed his regrets for NOT BEING A JEW early on) is tiring. These are just killers, and killers of anyone who is not white, is Muslim, is, is, is...it is exhausting.
The middle east was a nasty, ILLIBERAL place long before Israel or the USA existed, and not much has changed.
The geography, climate and geopolitics of the region (world trade routes invite conquest of one kind or another) as well as the inbred gene pool ensure that colonialist projects such as the establishment of Israel as a colonialist outpost, and "endless regime change" wars on behalf of global bankers and corporations, further doom real political reform there.
There are no "good guys" that haven't already been marginalized or "eliminated".
With that backdrop, the kind of slanted advocacy journalism that MacCleod is engaged in here, working for a media outlet controlled by corporate totalitarians "on the other side" isn't much more than preaching to the (anti-western) choir.
I guess, sadly, there isn't a market for real, objective journalism, so no one is willing to pay journalists to try to be objective.
To be clear, the "spin" that MacCleod is putting on this event is pretty mild by world standards.
What MacCleod omits is that the anti-Israeli forces in the middle east routinely engage in the same kind of barbarism, if not worse.
The middle east is a cultural gravity well that sucks in good and craps out stupidity and evil.
[EDIT: and that goes for both Israel and the anti-Israeli forces and their corresponding propaganda operations "on both sides".]
So here's what I don't understand, we don't agree and instead of a discussion you just start calling me names. It doesn't really bother me but why do that when you might actually learn something new? Maybe you're already an expert on Israel, Jews, Arabs, the Middle East in which case perhaps I'll learn something new. Can you explain?
How am I manipulating you when I ask you to provide some real facts? You claim the Middle East is basically full of stupid primitive people. I'm just asking for some factual evidence for that claim. Is it because we're brown?
What makes you assume/think that "all the evidence" will ever come out? The nature of the conflict is that both "sides" use massive levels of deception, manipulation of facts, lies and propaganda in general [as political "weapons"]. Al Jazeera is "selling" a propaganda narrative to its anti-western audience just as much as the MSM is selling a pro-Israel propaganda narrative.
The fact that MacCleod fails to mention that GLARINGLY OBVIOUS fact tells me that he is engaged in advocacy journalism that omits facts and evidence necessary to actually understand the conflict and the long history behind it [at the meta-narrative level].
Good point. I meant when we get all the evidence we can get. Maybe examine the bullet under international supervision, to find out what gun it was fired from, as Israel has offered?
This is the most upside down reporting I've seen in a long time. Shame on you Matt. There is no evidence and if you've seen videos of the Palestinians routinely firing their rifles in the air, at the ground, wherever, you should understand that it is highly likely that they killed her. And why do the Palestinians refuse outside investigation? This is not the first time that the mainstream media (NY Times, LA Times, MSNBC, etc) have found Israel guilty without any evidence. And, many of the past accusations have been proven to be false but they don't get any media attention. Really disappointed in Matt. Katie is a dope anyway so not surprised that she gloms onto this fantasy. Why don't you invite Einat Wilf as a guest so she can explain the errors of your ways.
TROLL. Seek psychiatric treatment.
Alison I think your confused about who you saw firing weapons in the air. Those were different dark skinned people most likely. Israel does not allow Palestinians to own, carry or use firearms. They are enclosed in an open air prison where both water and electric power are controlled and rationed by the illegal apartheid occupation (as defined by international law) that is Israel. Please enlighten me and provide this link to Palestinians "firing rifles in the air and at the ground". Education will set you free, unless you have already decided what you believe despite the facts. Take care.
Haha I assume you think what you wrote is amusing not just stupid.
TROLL
What is a troll?
https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/news/a34473/internet-troll-study-stanford-cornell/
Palestinian territorial control in Jenin (where the reporter was killed) is under the PLA. Israel doesn't want firearms there but obviously it's not like the smugglers ask them.
For actual evidence of Palestinians shooting, and claiming to hit someone (no Israeli soldiers were actually hit) in this specific incident, see here:
https://youtu.be/-T7I-zqt8Ss
How do you know? There is no ballistic evidence because the PA won't allow it
Whatever. She was probably being a terrorist and got shot or was accidentally shot by Palestinians. These idiots just hold a gun out, squeeze the trigger and pray the bullet hits its target.
I see the IDF propaganda team has landed and tried to derail the facts.
INSULTS, HYPOCRISY, TROLLING, DOCUMENTED:
https://usefulidiots.substack.com/p/media-and-biden-cover-up-journalists/comment/6555228
Alison Cipriani [said] 7 hr ago
"...Katie is a dope anyway..."
MORE LIES, TROLLING AND PSYCHOLOGICAL TERRORISM, DOCUMENTED
https://usefulidiots.substack.com/p/media-and-biden-cover-up-journalists/comment/6563194
Alison Cipriani [said] 26 min ago
How am I manipulating you when I ask you to provide some real facts? You claim the Middle East is basically full of stupid primitive people. I'm just asking for some factual evidence for that claim. Is it because we're brown?
(duplicate)
Lies, insults and TROLLING:
DOCUMENTED:
https://usefulidiots.substack.com/p/media-and-biden-cover-up-journalists/comment/6562529
Alison Cipriani [said] 25 min ago
Well there's some white privilege showing! You speak of a large geographic area as a lump of ignorant violence.
Watching anything about Israel (there's rarely anything good), Ned Price, Sullivan, Nuland, Blinken (who expressed his regrets for NOT BEING A JEW early on) is tiring. These are just killers, and killers of anyone who is not white, is Muslim, is, is, is...it is exhausting.
Jews are not white dear.
TROLL
https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/news/a34473/internet-troll-study-stanford-cornell/
New today apparently. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-chaos-jerusalem-israeli-police-attack-slain-al-jazeera-journalists-funeral
The middle east was a nasty, ILLIBERAL place long before Israel or the USA existed, and not much has changed.
The geography, climate and geopolitics of the region (world trade routes invite conquest of one kind or another) as well as the inbred gene pool ensure that colonialist projects such as the establishment of Israel as a colonialist outpost, and "endless regime change" wars on behalf of global bankers and corporations, further doom real political reform there.
There are no "good guys" that haven't already been marginalized or "eliminated".
With that backdrop, the kind of slanted advocacy journalism that MacCleod is engaged in here, working for a media outlet controlled by corporate totalitarians "on the other side" isn't much more than preaching to the (anti-western) choir.
I guess, sadly, there isn't a market for real, objective journalism, so no one is willing to pay journalists to try to be objective.
To be clear, the "spin" that MacCleod is putting on this event is pretty mild by world standards.
What MacCleod omits is that the anti-Israeli forces in the middle east routinely engage in the same kind of barbarism, if not worse.
The middle east is a cultural gravity well that sucks in good and craps out stupidity and evil.
[EDIT: and that goes for both Israel and the anti-Israeli forces and their corresponding propaganda operations "on both sides".]
Well there's some white privilege showing! You speak of a large geographic area as a lump of ignorant violence.
It is
You are another extremely LOW IQ ASSHOLE TROLL.
Lies, insults and TROLLING:
DOCUMENTED:
https://usefulidiots.substack.com/p/media-and-biden-cover-up-journalists/comment/6562529
Alison Cipriani [said] 25 min ago
Well there's some white privilege showing! You speak of a large geographic area as a lump of ignorant violence.
All YOU DO is emit ignorance and PSYCHOLOGICAL VIOLENCE.
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https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/news/a34473/internet-troll-study-stanford-cornell/
The solution to your MSM blues: Ghost Them.
Problems solved.
Look at this crappy and idiotic article that Quillette published:
https://quillette.com/2022/05/13/the-hard-left-and-populist-right-agree-on-all-the-wrong-things/
Yep, they all hate Jews. Congratulations.
Seek psychiatric treatment. TROLL
So here's what I don't understand, we don't agree and instead of a discussion you just start calling me names. It doesn't really bother me but why do that when you might actually learn something new? Maybe you're already an expert on Israel, Jews, Arabs, the Middle East in which case perhaps I'll learn something new. Can you explain?
The "explanation" is that you are a TROLL (a clinically narcissistic, sociopathic liar and manipulator) that needs to be in psychiatric treatment.
I'm not manipulating you. I'm asking for some facts and figures rather than just throwing out insults
Another example of your HYPOCRISY, LIES and PSYCHOLOGICAL VIOLENCE:
ChesterView [said] 3 hr ago
Or .... ?
Alison Cipriani [said] 2 hr ago
Or we'll know that they're just as clueless as msm
Accusing someone of "white privilege" is an insult.
Your gross hypocrisy is absurd, but part of standard TROLL SCRIPT RHETORIC:
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Leftist/ Cultural Marxist, PC left, CRT/SJW/BLM rhetoric*, explained:
000. use absurd SMEARS
00. project
0. gaslight
......
1. Deflect from what was actually said/done
2. Distort or lie about facts and evidence (such as straw manning)
3. Cherry pick evidence to fit the (victim/diversity) narrative / shift goal posts
4. Engage in emotive, feel good bs (special pleading) rather than use rational, objective thought
5. Use guilt by association ("you are a K-K-K/n-a-z-i") to smear people that dare to criticize PC/SJW leftist ideology.
[->] Use groupthink and scapegoating to marginalize critics of the PC left.
6. Demonize the personalities of opponents/critics.
7. Destroy the reputation, character and career of critics of the PC left
8. Use psychological violence, which could include doxxing, and threats of actual violence, against critics of the PC left.
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*Note: the above can be generalized to fit any ideology.
You are engaged in PSYCHOLOGICAL VIOLENCE and MANIPULATION.
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https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/news/a34473/internet-troll-study-stanford-cornell/
Great interview.
Matt and Katie, we'll be watching this. You claim "murder." When all the evidence comes out, you had better be right.
Or .... ?
Or we'll know that they're just as clueless as msm
What we "know" is that you are a TROLL:
MORE LIES, TROLLING AND PSYCHOLOGICAL TERRORISM, DOCUMENTED
https://usefulidiots.substack.com/p/media-and-biden-cover-up-journalists/comment/6563194
Alison Cipriani [said] 26 min ago
How am I manipulating you when I ask you to provide some real facts? You claim the Middle East is basically full of stupid primitive people. I'm just asking for some factual evidence for that claim. Is it because we're brown?
(duplicate)
Lies, insults and TROLLING:
DOCUMENTED:
https://usefulidiots.substack.com/p/media-and-biden-cover-up-journalists/comment/6562529
Alison Cipriani [said] 25 min ago
Well there's some white privilege showing! You speak of a large geographic area as a lump of ignorant violence.
https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/news/a34473/internet-troll-study-stanford-cornell/
What we "know" now is that you are a TROLL.
What makes you assume/think that "all the evidence" will ever come out? The nature of the conflict is that both "sides" use massive levels of deception, manipulation of facts, lies and propaganda in general [as political "weapons"]. Al Jazeera is "selling" a propaganda narrative to its anti-western audience just as much as the MSM is selling a pro-Israel propaganda narrative.
The fact that MacCleod fails to mention that GLARINGLY OBVIOUS fact tells me that he is engaged in advocacy journalism that omits facts and evidence necessary to actually understand the conflict and the long history behind it [at the meta-narrative level].
Good point. I meant when we get all the evidence we can get. Maybe examine the bullet under international supervision, to find out what gun it was fired from, as Israel has offered?
That kind of process could easily be manipulated.
Even if it wasn't manipulated, either side could claim it was, just to "spin" the issue in the media.