Katie (paraglider sympathizer and Hamas apologist), YOUR charter states in part:
"our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.”
And the Jews created a Jewish state and shoved the Palestinians out in something very akin to that "g" word that we would normally condemn, but somehow here, totes fine.
This is what happens when you put religion and ethnicity before humanity.
And... what of the Arab League? You remember the folks who refused visas for Palestinians... and put them into refugee camps after they lost one of their war? Isn’t that what happens when one side wages war, and they lose? Yeah... Israel is the demon here and the Fascists who united with Hitler to kill the Jews are the victims. No rockets were launched from Palestine to kill innocents... no savage Palestinian terrorists butchered innocent Jews... none of them burned Jews alive... mowed down kids at a music festival... none of that happened... right? Israel attacked the innocent Palestinians??? What dime Simon do you people even live in?
Palestinians could have enjoyed prosperity and security for decades had they not refused peace- repeatedly. They could be a celebrated destination and an independent nation, had they not refused a two state option - repeatedly. imagine if their elected government had a different charter? To provide clean water, power, equal right for women, economic opportunity, and prosperity to their people? Instead? They with hold and stock pile international aid supplies, and enjoy sanctions and blockades to prevent them from receiving even more funding to murder innocents as they have done globally (highjacking airplanes, murdering athletes at the Olympics... suicide bombers world wide’. Yeah those evil Jews should never have sanctioned the Palestinian terrorists... they should allow them full access to every weapon and money needed to murder every Jew... right?
Right of return? That’s laughable. When you lose a war that you waged... I would not allow you to remain... apparently no other Arab nation wanted them either... perhaps Palestinians should wage their war against their Arab neighbors who put them into their prison refugee camps. They will never meet their goal to eradicate all Jews. Why? Because history shows us that every assault... every war waged is lost. The Israelites have defended every war. At least the Israelites wage war directly against those who attack them... unlike the US who in our 9/11 equivalent attack, waged war against and entirely different country and pretended it was just. A million innocent lives lost in Iraq, and none of them attacked the U.S. we are all being used... emotionally programmed to resist basic reason in order to defend the indefensible... just like GW Bush and his criminals did.
IslamoFascism and Terrorism are not something to defend. It’s regressive. Ask the Palestinians why they repeatedly refuse peace and a two state option. Hint: they don’t want peace. For a supposedly advanced and thinking people we have a convenient memory that forgets history so we can defend monsters today.
Palestinians have never fought for peace. They never wanted peace. They’re merely want the Jews dead. Stop pretending.
Name me a peace offer that banned Israeli building in the occupied territories?
And you're confusing Hamas with Palestinians. That's like claiming that all Italians are the mafia and all Mexicans are the cartels.
And how does the Arab League not helping alleviate the Israelis of responsibility, but as long as we're on the subject of wars, so if the Arab countries do move in and eliminate Israel you'll be fine because Israel was conquered and they lost?
To better understand… you have to read or remember the global terrorism committed by the Palestinians through the PLO, Red October, and various other factions. You have to understand, or at least read history on this situation. It’s a history of thousands of years, but a modern history that warms up in the last century.
Hitler found the Arabs to be useful idiots. They aligned with him on the goal of eradicating the Jews. However, Hitler would have eradicated the Arabs once all the Jews were gone… the Arab world literally aligned with Hitler on racism… and Holocaust. The Islamic world is not free it’s fascist.
So do we bomb all of Italy for being the home of the mafia? Do we bomb all of Mexico for being the home of the cartels?
The PLO is like Hamas. It is just a group. It is not all of Palestine. What does it take to get that trough people's heads?
The Irish National Liberation Army committed bombings in their day. Do you blame all the Irish for that?
You know, we talk a whole lot about anti-semitism, but it's just as bad to hate any other group so much you can't see clearly. You're not a better or worse person depending on whose violence you excuse and whose you condemn.
Because I don't think the death of innocent Palestinians is a good thing? You would have had a lot in common with Hitler. He hated Arabs, well, anyone that wasn't "Aryan," really, and had no problem killing people indiscriminately just to reach an end.
Actually... if you follow history... the Palestinians and the Arabs waged repeated wars, launched rockets when offered peace and a two state solution. The Israelis didn’t exile the Palestinians and relegate them to refugee camps... the Arabs did. Even today, the Arabs nations refuse visas. After they lost the last big war, Palestinians who chose to remain in Israel, got citizenship and lived there with Jews... why are there no Jews allowed to live in Palestinian Territories, or serve within their government as they do in the Knesset?
Palestinian rejectionism (google it) is the core of the problem. Palestinians have repeatedly refused peace and a two state solution. Their goal is to take the entire region and kill every Jew, but don’t believe me... google this yourself to see the repeated speeches and proclamations stating this clearly. Palestinians do not want a two state solution. They want every Jew dead.
“never Again” was nothing but a lie of empty Virtue Signaling. All who agreed... with the exception of the Arab states and the Palestinians, who make their intentions more than clear, lied. This is the actual depravity and continuous calls for genocide of the Jews... they never believed their own bullshit... don’t hide who you are. You believe in killing every Jew while siding with the terrorists who just waged a full air land and see assault... the Palestinians waged this war, ritually murdered non combatant men, women, and children... we’re specifically tasked to kill children btw, and you blame the Israelis.
We will never be the same... but still... I would never demand your death, let alone behead you for this... only terrorists behave that way, and perhaps terrorist enablers like yourself? Sorry... I do know history, and we are not the same. ✌️
I listened to your interview and sympathize with your guests and the civilians in Gaza, but neither you nor your guests addressed some very important points. Either you didn't want to or just weren't capable of asking pertinent questions. It just made you look really unprepared and uneducated.
To use the excuse that the terrorists had built up anger because they don't have green grass, pools and what's outside of Gaza and to justify that anger as making sense to kill people at a concert or nearby towns is ridiculous.
Educate yourselves on the history of that region and why things are the way they are. Here are a few unbiased resources for you.
It isn't up to the Israeli government to protect Gazan civilians. It's up to Hamas, but instead of doing this, Hamas puts civilians in harms way. Israel is doing what it needs to do to protect their people. Palestinians used to blow themselves up at bus stops, cafes and restaurants long before there was Gaza. You can use Gaza and the "open prison" phrase as an excuse for people (not all) who have proven themselves to be fanatics, violent and vindictive. This was happening before there was Gaza.
NF thank you for those links. I’ve only watched the first one so far, found it helpful, and was especially impressed with the many comments from Muslims expressing amicable and humble sentiments in response to a potentially offensive monologue.
I have found this topic to be very confusing and am glad that Katie and Aaron have put out such a shocking take because it’s an opportunity to dig into how it’s possible that people could have such diametrically opposed opinions. To me it means there are some powerful lies and obfuscations at play but deciphering where and what they are is not readily apparent. Celebrating perverse and terrorizing violence is a red flag and describing groups of people as less than human is also a red flag. No narrative that does either of those things works for me.
Prompted by an article posted last Sunday, I re-read Ecclesiastes this week. Here’s a relevant quote from Eugene Petersen’s modern translation of the Bible called “The Message”: “It’s best to stay in touch with both sides of an issue. A person who fears God deals responsibly with all of reality, not just a piece of it.”
" To me it means there are some powerful lies and obfuscations at play but deciphering where and what they are is not readily apparent. Celebrating perverse and terrorizing violence is a red flag and describing groups of people as less than human is also a red flag." Keep pulling on this thread and soon what's shocking to you yesterday will seem routine and obvious. Nobody's innocent, but in 2023 enough good work has been done to illuminate things for anyone who truly cares about it and without needing to conduct their own research project or translate documents and scripture.
I actually hadn’t even watched Aaron and Katie’s interview yet when I wrote that. I just watched it. What an f*ed up world. I’m more confused than ever but certainly more guarded about believing Israeli narratives. The one thing that made me perk up with incredulity, though, was when the man who is in Gaza said that Lindsey Graham hates Jews and wants to round them up in Israel to kill them all, but that he hates Arabs more. And Katie nodding along like this is common knowledge. Huh? Idk, I don’t pay a lot of attention to politics and the US Congress but what is that?
You may find this clip of TMBS a helpful part of your process. It includes examination of some debates with post-9/11 Hitchens (who at that point was swinging his own type of jihad arguments like most of us were in those days, yet still would argue what he does in this clip). https://streamable.com/a93wp1
Or check out a whole series visiting the West Bank:
If find it amusing so many commenting here are cancelling their subscriptions, lol. As an Australian, a country with some of the most concentrated news ownership in the world - mainly Murdoch's Newcorp, but we also have Nine Entertainment, which is just a front for our country's far right conservative populist nationalists, I find the content resented here totally necessary as these voices are not being heard outside of platforms like Useful Idiots. What is wrong with presenting the other side of the story? These are journalists doing what journalists should do - presenting balanced news without the propaganda. The world is watching Israel making the very worst of a very bad situation - it is 2023, and there is no place for theis kind of "eye for an eye" biblical retribution, the mass slaughter of civilian populations, like the world is seeing right now. Kudos to Katie and Aaron for their continued excellent reportage and courage.
How far back shall we go historically? Do you want to discuss pre birth of Mohammed when the Jews were there? Would you like to discuss when they were kicked out of the region? When they returned… or perhaps you only want to discuss the most recent history?
How about we do that… modern history: I would love to hear your excuses for Rejectionism, and actual goals of the eradication of the Jews, and the establishment of a Palestinian state only? Let’s hear your justification for this call to genocide…
Oh, and there is no reason for you to be hostile with me. Do I intimidate you? Actual history should not be intimidating… perhaps you’re too embedded in emotions to be civil?
Hamas is a straight up death cult. It hates life (Jewish and Muslim ) and it's cultural influence on humanity must be lended. Intent is everything and that's the key difference between Israel and Hamas..
Any chance for special edition uniting of Substack--the useful idiots with “America This Week” duo Taibbi/Kirn?
I think it’s important. You’re familiar with each other and have fairly different perspectives. The import wouldn’t be knowledge or a history lesson, to figure out who is right, on the whole. Maté is clearly the most knowledgeable. But I think he could be asked some challenging questions.
It would show people that intellectual discussion, that includes passionate disagreement between friends/colleagues/family, can and must occur if we are serious about encouraging humanity and societal healing.
UN OFFICE For CoOrdination of Humanitarian Affairs
10 October 2023 (Palestine) EURO MED MONITOR NEWS UPDATES on Day 4 of ISRAEL’S “GOD GIVEN RIGHT” TO ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE
🔷Israel commits widespread war crimes in Gaza, humanitarian catastrophe is imminent [EN/AR]🔷
🔹Euro-Med Monitor stated that the Israeli attack has resulted in the deaths of 880 Palestinians, with approximately 59% of them being civilians, including 185 children and 120 women. Around 5,000 others have been injured, with hundreds remaining trapped under rubble and along border areas.
🔹Euro-Med Monitor added that Israel’s army is expanding its military operations in Gaza, targeting residential buildings without prior warning and causing the deaths of entire families.
🔹“What is happening in Gaza represents a comprehensive humanitarian disaster, especially with the lack of electricity and water affecting more than 90% of residents, and the disruption of various essential supplies,” the organisation said in a statement.
🔹The group documented the killing of seven journalists, injury of at least 10 more, and loss of contact with two.
Seymour Hersh – Oct. 12, 2023 – Netanyahu is Finished -- The Bibi doctrine—his belief that he could control Hamas—compromised Israeli security and has now begat a bloody war
Hamas was promoted and financed for years by “our beloved” Bibi, who believed that Arafat’s secular PLO was a more serious enemy. Hamas was also rejecting a two-state solution just like Bibi and his extremists who together with US sabotaged a two-state solution for decades
Ok… perhaps you’re confusing who and what Hamas is? It’s the Political party (and terrorist group as defined by numerous global nations) that win elections to serve the people… the Palestinians chose these guys… I’m not confused even a little bit.
Every time Palestinians conduct terrorist violence… suicide bombings, rocket launches, maiming, shooting, fire bombings… guess what happens? They lose a little more freedom to continue their violence. They lose a little more land. That’s what engaging in violence instead of peace br8ngs. They have earned this honestly.
This right of return is laughable. They literally waged a war and were joined by Arab nations. They lost that war… the Palestinians were forced out, and the Arab League, who joined them in war, refused visas for the Palestinians which left them in refugee camps. To dat very few visas have ever been offered. This is not the Israelis responsibility… sorry. Again, the Palestinians brought this upon themselves.
If the Arab world collectively made a move to eradicate the sovereign State of Israel (in keeping with their Islamo fascistic and anti semitic ideology? It would bring the world to war. Wait and see… you might just be drafted to participate. Palestine has never been a sovereign nation. Israel is.
The original Hamas Charter, the predecessor PLO Charter all read the same: one Arab state, and eradication of the Jews. They’re fascist and have refuse peace and a two state option repeatedly… waged wars and terrorism and were subdued… lost land and yet? They still refuse peace.
I worked as a Middle East Analyst and we conducted multiple workshops, and likely still do, to find a solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but we have always failed. The reason? The Palestinians don’t want a two state solution (period, the end). The Jews have been on this land almost without breaks long before Palestinians were even named… long before Muhammad was born. They were forced out on s couple occasions, and always returned. They could have long ago mandated no two state solution, but none the less continue to work toward that direction. The problem is… you can’t find peace when one side simply wants the other side dead. This is the racism and bigotry that leaves Palestinians in the place they are now. The voted for this. So, yes, the people are the same as Hamas. The Palestinians territories could have long ago stood up a sovereign state. They could have no sanctions or blockades… they could be enjoying a prosperous and free society. Yet, they made a choice to hate the Jews instead… wage relentless war, and murder hundreds at a music festival ffs… it’s disgusting how Americans one one day can condemn a single mass shooter at a folk festival as a monster, but one another day support and defend the atrocities committed in the name of IslamoFascism and racism. There is something very broken in the American culture…
you wrote all that to make yourself feel better about siding with ethnic cleansing (period, the end). "the right of return is laughable" yeah maybe apply that equally to both sides? especially the one that's been gone the longest.
Ethnic cleansing commenced with a Sea Air and land assault that began this war. You’re hiding from the truth to protect your emotional hatred for the Jews... which is insane... sorry. The sounds of the tragic “Never Agin” were clearly voices of liars around the globe... hate for the Jews... is a disgusted human trait... and the Palestinians... have always chosen terrorists butchery of innocents since I’ve been alive... it has always been Terrorism chosen over peace and a state of their own. There is no excuse left for the atrocities ... war crimes, that Hamas perpetrated... not in the humane world, at least.
"Ethnic cleansing commenced" decades ago, genius. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, this didn't start with the Oct 7 massacre. The truth is out on this. You're making shit up to feel better about war crimes...which is insane...sorry. My "emotional hatred for the Jews"? How can one actually type such absolute stupidity? Either you are simply a moron drowning in propaganda or you are getting paid to act like one.
The governors of Gaza--Hamas--have a charter that their population, and even some of you hold dear. It states in part:
"our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.”
Katie (paraglider sympathizer and Hamas apologist), YOUR charter states in part:
"our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.”
And the Jews created a Jewish state and shoved the Palestinians out in something very akin to that "g" word that we would normally condemn, but somehow here, totes fine.
This is what happens when you put religion and ethnicity before humanity.
And... what of the Arab League? You remember the folks who refused visas for Palestinians... and put them into refugee camps after they lost one of their war? Isn’t that what happens when one side wages war, and they lose? Yeah... Israel is the demon here and the Fascists who united with Hitler to kill the Jews are the victims. No rockets were launched from Palestine to kill innocents... no savage Palestinian terrorists butchered innocent Jews... none of them burned Jews alive... mowed down kids at a music festival... none of that happened... right? Israel attacked the innocent Palestinians??? What dime Simon do you people even live in?
Palestinians could have enjoyed prosperity and security for decades had they not refused peace- repeatedly. They could be a celebrated destination and an independent nation, had they not refused a two state option - repeatedly. imagine if their elected government had a different charter? To provide clean water, power, equal right for women, economic opportunity, and prosperity to their people? Instead? They with hold and stock pile international aid supplies, and enjoy sanctions and blockades to prevent them from receiving even more funding to murder innocents as they have done globally (highjacking airplanes, murdering athletes at the Olympics... suicide bombers world wide’. Yeah those evil Jews should never have sanctioned the Palestinian terrorists... they should allow them full access to every weapon and money needed to murder every Jew... right?
Right of return? That’s laughable. When you lose a war that you waged... I would not allow you to remain... apparently no other Arab nation wanted them either... perhaps Palestinians should wage their war against their Arab neighbors who put them into their prison refugee camps. They will never meet their goal to eradicate all Jews. Why? Because history shows us that every assault... every war waged is lost. The Israelites have defended every war. At least the Israelites wage war directly against those who attack them... unlike the US who in our 9/11 equivalent attack, waged war against and entirely different country and pretended it was just. A million innocent lives lost in Iraq, and none of them attacked the U.S. we are all being used... emotionally programmed to resist basic reason in order to defend the indefensible... just like GW Bush and his criminals did.
IslamoFascism and Terrorism are not something to defend. It’s regressive. Ask the Palestinians why they repeatedly refuse peace and a two state option. Hint: they don’t want peace. For a supposedly advanced and thinking people we have a convenient memory that forgets history so we can defend monsters today.
Palestinians have never fought for peace. They never wanted peace. They’re merely want the Jews dead. Stop pretending.
Name me a peace offer that banned Israeli building in the occupied territories?
And you're confusing Hamas with Palestinians. That's like claiming that all Italians are the mafia and all Mexicans are the cartels.
And how does the Arab League not helping alleviate the Israelis of responsibility, but as long as we're on the subject of wars, so if the Arab countries do move in and eliminate Israel you'll be fine because Israel was conquered and they lost?
To better understand… you have to read or remember the global terrorism committed by the Palestinians through the PLO, Red October, and various other factions. You have to understand, or at least read history on this situation. It’s a history of thousands of years, but a modern history that warms up in the last century.
Hitler found the Arabs to be useful idiots. They aligned with him on the goal of eradicating the Jews. However, Hitler would have eradicated the Arabs once all the Jews were gone… the Arab world literally aligned with Hitler on racism… and Holocaust. The Islamic world is not free it’s fascist.
https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/05/14/the-palestinian-connection-to-the-nazis/
So do we bomb all of Italy for being the home of the mafia? Do we bomb all of Mexico for being the home of the cartels?
The PLO is like Hamas. It is just a group. It is not all of Palestine. What does it take to get that trough people's heads?
The Irish National Liberation Army committed bombings in their day. Do you blame all the Irish for that?
You know, we talk a whole lot about anti-semitism, but it's just as bad to hate any other group so much you can't see clearly. You're not a better or worse person depending on whose violence you excuse and whose you condemn.
You should write a sequel to Mein Kanf, like a Mein Kamf Redux.
Because I don't think the death of innocent Palestinians is a good thing? You would have had a lot in common with Hitler. He hated Arabs, well, anyone that wasn't "Aryan," really, and had no problem killing people indiscriminately just to reach an end.
You clearly have difficulties with actual history and historical fact and associations... perhaps read a book once in awhile?
Facts and history actually do matter in the modern, civilized world.
https://foreigndesknews.com/human-rights/timeline-of-peace-proposals-rejected-by-the-palestinians/
Actually... if you follow history... the Palestinians and the Arabs waged repeated wars, launched rockets when offered peace and a two state solution. The Israelis didn’t exile the Palestinians and relegate them to refugee camps... the Arabs did. Even today, the Arabs nations refuse visas. After they lost the last big war, Palestinians who chose to remain in Israel, got citizenship and lived there with Jews... why are there no Jews allowed to live in Palestinian Territories, or serve within their government as they do in the Knesset?
Palestinian rejectionism (google it) is the core of the problem. Palestinians have repeatedly refused peace and a two state solution. Their goal is to take the entire region and kill every Jew, but don’t believe me... google this yourself to see the repeated speeches and proclamations stating this clearly. Palestinians do not want a two state solution. They want every Jew dead.
“never Again” was nothing but a lie of empty Virtue Signaling. All who agreed... with the exception of the Arab states and the Palestinians, who make their intentions more than clear, lied. This is the actual depravity and continuous calls for genocide of the Jews... they never believed their own bullshit... don’t hide who you are. You believe in killing every Jew while siding with the terrorists who just waged a full air land and see assault... the Palestinians waged this war, ritually murdered non combatant men, women, and children... we’re specifically tasked to kill children btw, and you blame the Israelis.
We will never be the same... but still... I would never demand your death, let alone behead you for this... only terrorists behave that way, and perhaps terrorist enablers like yourself? Sorry... I do know history, and we are not the same. ✌️
But will you condemn the pointless slaughter of innocent civilians in Gaza?
But will Palistainians condemn Hamas slaughter?
as if that hasn't happened and would make a lick of difference to anyone simping for israel anyway
Nonsense
I listened to your interview and sympathize with your guests and the civilians in Gaza, but neither you nor your guests addressed some very important points. Either you didn't want to or just weren't capable of asking pertinent questions. It just made you look really unprepared and uneducated.
To use the excuse that the terrorists had built up anger because they don't have green grass, pools and what's outside of Gaza and to justify that anger as making sense to kill people at a concert or nearby towns is ridiculous.
Educate yourselves on the history of that region and why things are the way they are. Here are a few unbiased resources for you.
https://youtu.be/XNf40sBcvKk?si=IaJeAP-849-Dbdhq
https://youtu.be/m19F4IHTVGc?si=IG9VEGsUb-cv_Z-f
https://www.facebook.com/reel/337839198730699?mibextid=9drbnH
https://www.facebook.com/reel/801215988444932?mibextid=9drbnH
It isn't up to the Israeli government to protect Gazan civilians. It's up to Hamas, but instead of doing this, Hamas puts civilians in harms way. Israel is doing what it needs to do to protect their people. Palestinians used to blow themselves up at bus stops, cafes and restaurants long before there was Gaza. You can use Gaza and the "open prison" phrase as an excuse for people (not all) who have proven themselves to be fanatics, violent and vindictive. This was happening before there was Gaza.
NF thank you for those links. I’ve only watched the first one so far, found it helpful, and was especially impressed with the many comments from Muslims expressing amicable and humble sentiments in response to a potentially offensive monologue.
I have found this topic to be very confusing and am glad that Katie and Aaron have put out such a shocking take because it’s an opportunity to dig into how it’s possible that people could have such diametrically opposed opinions. To me it means there are some powerful lies and obfuscations at play but deciphering where and what they are is not readily apparent. Celebrating perverse and terrorizing violence is a red flag and describing groups of people as less than human is also a red flag. No narrative that does either of those things works for me.
Prompted by an article posted last Sunday, I re-read Ecclesiastes this week. Here’s a relevant quote from Eugene Petersen’s modern translation of the Bible called “The Message”: “It’s best to stay in touch with both sides of an issue. A person who fears God deals responsibly with all of reality, not just a piece of it.”
" To me it means there are some powerful lies and obfuscations at play but deciphering where and what they are is not readily apparent. Celebrating perverse and terrorizing violence is a red flag and describing groups of people as less than human is also a red flag." Keep pulling on this thread and soon what's shocking to you yesterday will seem routine and obvious. Nobody's innocent, but in 2023 enough good work has been done to illuminate things for anyone who truly cares about it and without needing to conduct their own research project or translate documents and scripture.
I actually hadn’t even watched Aaron and Katie’s interview yet when I wrote that. I just watched it. What an f*ed up world. I’m more confused than ever but certainly more guarded about believing Israeli narratives. The one thing that made me perk up with incredulity, though, was when the man who is in Gaza said that Lindsey Graham hates Jews and wants to round them up in Israel to kill them all, but that he hates Arabs more. And Katie nodding along like this is common knowledge. Huh? Idk, I don’t pay a lot of attention to politics and the US Congress but what is that?
You may find this clip of TMBS a helpful part of your process. It includes examination of some debates with post-9/11 Hitchens (who at that point was swinging his own type of jihad arguments like most of us were in those days, yet still would argue what he does in this clip). https://streamable.com/a93wp1
Or check out a whole series visiting the West Bank:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdGcej-6D0
Thank you, I will.
This article is truly disgusting propaganda that the media is so guilty of today!!!
Katie, YOU are the Useful Idiot.
If find it amusing so many commenting here are cancelling their subscriptions, lol. As an Australian, a country with some of the most concentrated news ownership in the world - mainly Murdoch's Newcorp, but we also have Nine Entertainment, which is just a front for our country's far right conservative populist nationalists, I find the content resented here totally necessary as these voices are not being heard outside of platforms like Useful Idiots. What is wrong with presenting the other side of the story? These are journalists doing what journalists should do - presenting balanced news without the propaganda. The world is watching Israel making the very worst of a very bad situation - it is 2023, and there is no place for theis kind of "eye for an eye" biblical retribution, the mass slaughter of civilian populations, like the world is seeing right now. Kudos to Katie and Aaron for their continued excellent reportage and courage.
Cancelling this subscription IMMEDIATELY
How far back shall we go historically? Do you want to discuss pre birth of Mohammed when the Jews were there? Would you like to discuss when they were kicked out of the region? When they returned… or perhaps you only want to discuss the most recent history?
How about we do that… modern history: I would love to hear your excuses for Rejectionism, and actual goals of the eradication of the Jews, and the establishment of a Palestinian state only? Let’s hear your justification for this call to genocide…
Oh, and there is no reason for you to be hostile with me. Do I intimidate you? Actual history should not be intimidating… perhaps you’re too embedded in emotions to be civil?
I feel like an idiot for paying for this subscription.
Hamas is a straight up death cult. It hates life (Jewish and Muslim ) and it's cultural influence on humanity must be lended. Intent is everything and that's the key difference between Israel and Hamas..
Any chance for special edition uniting of Substack--the useful idiots with “America This Week” duo Taibbi/Kirn?
I think it’s important. You’re familiar with each other and have fairly different perspectives. The import wouldn’t be knowledge or a history lesson, to figure out who is right, on the whole. Maté is clearly the most knowledgeable. But I think he could be asked some challenging questions.
It would show people that intellectual discussion, that includes passionate disagreement between friends/colleagues/family, can and must occur if we are serious about encouraging humanity and societal healing.
UN OFFICE For CoOrdination of Humanitarian Affairs
10 October 2023 (Palestine) EURO MED MONITOR NEWS UPDATES on Day 4 of ISRAEL’S “GOD GIVEN RIGHT” TO ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE
🔷Israel commits widespread war crimes in Gaza, humanitarian catastrophe is imminent [EN/AR]🔷
🔹Euro-Med Monitor stated that the Israeli attack has resulted in the deaths of 880 Palestinians, with approximately 59% of them being civilians, including 185 children and 120 women. Around 5,000 others have been injured, with hundreds remaining trapped under rubble and along border areas.
🔹Euro-Med Monitor added that Israel’s army is expanding its military operations in Gaza, targeting residential buildings without prior warning and causing the deaths of entire families.
🔹“What is happening in Gaza represents a comprehensive humanitarian disaster, especially with the lack of electricity and water affecting more than 90% of residents, and the disruption of various essential supplies,” the organisation said in a statement.
🔹The group documented the killing of seven journalists, injury of at least 10 more, and loss of contact with two.
MORE UPDATES @ bottom of page linked below
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-commits-widespread-war-crimes-gaza-humanitarian-catastrophe-imminent-enar
KLAUS POLKEHN, THE SECRET CONTACTS : ZIONISM AND NAZI GERMANY, 1933-1941
https://archive.org/details/KlausPolkehnTheSecretContacts-ZionismAndNaziGermany1933-1941/mode/2up
thank you 💜🙏🏼🙏🏽🙏🏾
Seymour Hersh – Oct. 12, 2023 – Netanyahu is Finished -- The Bibi doctrine—his belief that he could control Hamas—compromised Israeli security and has now begat a bloody war
Hamas was promoted and financed for years by “our beloved” Bibi, who believed that Arafat’s secular PLO was a more serious enemy. Hamas was also rejecting a two-state solution just like Bibi and his extremists who together with US sabotaged a two-state solution for decades
https://substack.com/inbox/post/137880462
Ok… perhaps you’re confusing who and what Hamas is? It’s the Political party (and terrorist group as defined by numerous global nations) that win elections to serve the people… the Palestinians chose these guys… I’m not confused even a little bit.
Every time Palestinians conduct terrorist violence… suicide bombings, rocket launches, maiming, shooting, fire bombings… guess what happens? They lose a little more freedom to continue their violence. They lose a little more land. That’s what engaging in violence instead of peace br8ngs. They have earned this honestly.
This right of return is laughable. They literally waged a war and were joined by Arab nations. They lost that war… the Palestinians were forced out, and the Arab League, who joined them in war, refused visas for the Palestinians which left them in refugee camps. To dat very few visas have ever been offered. This is not the Israelis responsibility… sorry. Again, the Palestinians brought this upon themselves.
If the Arab world collectively made a move to eradicate the sovereign State of Israel (in keeping with their Islamo fascistic and anti semitic ideology? It would bring the world to war. Wait and see… you might just be drafted to participate. Palestine has never been a sovereign nation. Israel is.
The original Hamas Charter, the predecessor PLO Charter all read the same: one Arab state, and eradication of the Jews. They’re fascist and have refuse peace and a two state option repeatedly… waged wars and terrorism and were subdued… lost land and yet? They still refuse peace.
I worked as a Middle East Analyst and we conducted multiple workshops, and likely still do, to find a solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but we have always failed. The reason? The Palestinians don’t want a two state solution (period, the end). The Jews have been on this land almost without breaks long before Palestinians were even named… long before Muhammad was born. They were forced out on s couple occasions, and always returned. They could have long ago mandated no two state solution, but none the less continue to work toward that direction. The problem is… you can’t find peace when one side simply wants the other side dead. This is the racism and bigotry that leaves Palestinians in the place they are now. The voted for this. So, yes, the people are the same as Hamas. The Palestinians territories could have long ago stood up a sovereign state. They could have no sanctions or blockades… they could be enjoying a prosperous and free society. Yet, they made a choice to hate the Jews instead… wage relentless war, and murder hundreds at a music festival ffs… it’s disgusting how Americans one one day can condemn a single mass shooter at a folk festival as a monster, but one another day support and defend the atrocities committed in the name of IslamoFascism and racism. There is something very broken in the American culture…
you wrote all that to make yourself feel better about siding with ethnic cleansing (period, the end). "the right of return is laughable" yeah maybe apply that equally to both sides? especially the one that's been gone the longest.
Ethnic cleansing commenced with a Sea Air and land assault that began this war. You’re hiding from the truth to protect your emotional hatred for the Jews... which is insane... sorry. The sounds of the tragic “Never Agin” were clearly voices of liars around the globe... hate for the Jews... is a disgusted human trait... and the Palestinians... have always chosen terrorists butchery of innocents since I’ve been alive... it has always been Terrorism chosen over peace and a state of their own. There is no excuse left for the atrocities ... war crimes, that Hamas perpetrated... not in the humane world, at least.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/horror-israeli-authorities-show-footage-hamas-atrocities-reporters-notebook/story?id=104015431
"Ethnic cleansing commenced" decades ago, genius. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, this didn't start with the Oct 7 massacre. The truth is out on this. You're making shit up to feel better about war crimes...which is insane...sorry. My "emotional hatred for the Jews"? How can one actually type such absolute stupidity? Either you are simply a moron drowning in propaganda or you are getting paid to act like one.
The governors of Gaza--Hamas--have a charter that their population, and even some of you hold dear. It states in part:
"our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.”