The problem with people like Abby Martin is that they do more damage than good. Israel (or Netanyahu to be exact) indeed heated stuff up in hope of a conflict with Hamas. But telling lies like the El-Aqtsa mosque was burning while they were cheering is counter-productive. It wasn't the mosque, it was a tree in the mosque court yard, and it was a firecracker that burned it. They were indeed chanting racist songs down there next to the western wall but not because that tree was burning. There were other exaggerations and mistruths she mentioned. People in Israel are bombarded with a Fox News times 10 media from ALL mainstream media channels and newspapers, and are not aware at all of what's happening in Gaza. And one of the biggest weapons they have in keeping the jewish Israelies ignorant is showing people around the world spouting fake news. "See, don't believe that people are suffering in Gaza, look at Abby Martin/any other media person lying about the tree burning..They all lie about us", and that's it, people stay brain washed. Please hold your guests accountable to facts. Great show otherwise :)
I didn't say anywhere Matt was lying. He's stating at the start of the podcast that he wasn't really following what's happened so I don't expect him to know that she's wrong about the Mosque burning. I don't Abby is lyins as well, I think she was pushed by years of censorship on this issue into a corner where she believes easily anything she sees anywhere as long as it's making Israel look like more a monster. My point is, Israel is already doing -A lot- of monstrous acts without the need to amplify it with false information. Can you grasp for a second the meaning of the Mosque actually burning? One of the holiest sites for Islam in the world? Believe me, you would've seen those videos everywhere and the mess would be much bigger.
She's also using the word Progrom, to describe what's happening in Sheih Jarakh. She's using that word intentionally cause that's how they called the mob attacks on Jews in europe, where villagers would come ina jewish village or neighborhood and rape and murder everybody there.
What's happening in Sheih Jarakh is NOT a progrom, it's a racist law-based ethinc cleansing of the Palestinians in East Jerusalem. It's NOT a progrom. If Katie Halper knew what was really happening in Sheih Jarakh, maybe she would oppose to that statement.
It seems like there's a "cool" competition on who thinks Israel is more a monster, and lowering your fact check sensibility when hearing information you want to be correct is a HUGE problem here. Especially when it is being weaponized as brain washing tool against Jewish Israelies.
If Americans wants to talk about the conflict that's great, but please learn all the facts prior. If Matt is reading these comments - just imgaine how you feel when all those reporters talk about Russia, and you're like, they don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about. That's how it feels :)
I'm glad at least the result is right (opposing Israel's actions), but they way to the result matters a lot.
Yeah, I have to agree. I’m really disappointed. I thought Matt Tiabi, at least had more journalistic integrity than this. Katie and Matt haven’t even acknowledged the discrepancies.
I wouldn’t say they are lying, per say. They are just not acknowledging or addressing the discrepancies in some of the things Abby saying according to fact checks. The burning Mosque is a great example- if you look at the video from a side angle it seems that the mosque is not on fire at all. The fire allegedly is coming from a tree in front of the mosque that was lit on fire by accident with fire crackers.
The WSJ reported on several pro-Palestinian stories that were allegedly false.
Maybe they aren’t false. Maybe they are. But Matt and Katie need to ask Abby about them.
I used to really like Abby, but the more I get to know her work it seems like she makes a lot of claims without offering solid evidence.
I, personally, am 100%
pro Palestinian- but it weakens our argument to not thoroughly address both sides in the discourse with solid evidence for our end.
Oh Please - Hamas started this conflict and clearly the Israelis want to shoot the last missile. Hamas - with Iran's and theBiden Administration's help - has already launched 3,000 into Israel. Joe Biden obliged by handing over $150 million to the Palestinians that Trump had cut off. There's just so much stupid in the Biden Administration's policies it boggles the mind.
Do Israel supporters have any other argument than “but Hamas”? Any? Occupation started in 1948- just FYI. There was no Hamas back then. And Joe Biden is sending Israel over $700 million worth of bombs. So he’s obviously on your side!
Hamas started it? coincidentally when it's so politically expedient for Netanyahu's survival? he's been perfecting the art of instigating useful conflict through provocations on the temple mount since the 90's, it just works. Starting shit during Ramadan. + Sheikh Jarrah. Stop being ignorant, or go look for your humanity in the dumpster where you binned it
Nonsense. The so-called 'Palestinian Authority' are filthy traitors who collaborate with the Zionist entity, unlike the heroes of Hamas. They should have their funding cut off.
It’s disturbing how easily Israel and the Republican Party have co-opted and redefined the term “terrorism” to include only acts by non-state actors. It shouldn’t be forgotten that the word “terrorism” comes from the French Revolution and the “Reign of Terror,” when terror was used as an instrument of state policy. Terror was used to eliminate counterrevolutionary elements in the population, save France from anarchy and military defeat, and suppress hoarding and profiteering.
The problem with people like Abby Martin is that they do more damage than good. Israel (or Netanyahu to be exact) indeed heated stuff up in hope of a conflict with Hamas. But telling lies like the El-Aqtsa mosque was burning while they were cheering is counter-productive. It wasn't the mosque, it was a tree in the mosque court yard, and it was a firecracker that burned it. They were indeed chanting racist songs down there next to the western wall but not because that tree was burning. There were other exaggerations and mistruths she mentioned. People in Israel are bombarded with a Fox News times 10 media from ALL mainstream media channels and newspapers, and are not aware at all of what's happening in Gaza. And one of the biggest weapons they have in keeping the jewish Israelies ignorant is showing people around the world spouting fake news. "See, don't believe that people are suffering in Gaza, look at Abby Martin/any other media person lying about the tree burning..They all lie about us", and that's it, people stay brain washed. Please hold your guests accountable to facts. Great show otherwise :)
Can you elaborate on how Abby and Matt are lying? I don't understand.
I didn't say anywhere Matt was lying. He's stating at the start of the podcast that he wasn't really following what's happened so I don't expect him to know that she's wrong about the Mosque burning. I don't Abby is lyins as well, I think she was pushed by years of censorship on this issue into a corner where she believes easily anything she sees anywhere as long as it's making Israel look like more a monster. My point is, Israel is already doing -A lot- of monstrous acts without the need to amplify it with false information. Can you grasp for a second the meaning of the Mosque actually burning? One of the holiest sites for Islam in the world? Believe me, you would've seen those videos everywhere and the mess would be much bigger.
She's also using the word Progrom, to describe what's happening in Sheih Jarakh. She's using that word intentionally cause that's how they called the mob attacks on Jews in europe, where villagers would come ina jewish village or neighborhood and rape and murder everybody there.
What's happening in Sheih Jarakh is NOT a progrom, it's a racist law-based ethinc cleansing of the Palestinians in East Jerusalem. It's NOT a progrom. If Katie Halper knew what was really happening in Sheih Jarakh, maybe she would oppose to that statement.
It seems like there's a "cool" competition on who thinks Israel is more a monster, and lowering your fact check sensibility when hearing information you want to be correct is a HUGE problem here. Especially when it is being weaponized as brain washing tool against Jewish Israelies.
If Americans wants to talk about the conflict that's great, but please learn all the facts prior. If Matt is reading these comments - just imgaine how you feel when all those reporters talk about Russia, and you're like, they don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about. That's how it feels :)
I'm glad at least the result is right (opposing Israel's actions), but they way to the result matters a lot.
Yeah, I have to agree. I’m really disappointed. I thought Matt Tiabi, at least had more journalistic integrity than this. Katie and Matt haven’t even acknowledged the discrepancies.
Can you elaborate on how Abby and Matt are lying? I don't understand.
I wouldn’t say they are lying, per say. They are just not acknowledging or addressing the discrepancies in some of the things Abby saying according to fact checks. The burning Mosque is a great example- if you look at the video from a side angle it seems that the mosque is not on fire at all. The fire allegedly is coming from a tree in front of the mosque that was lit on fire by accident with fire crackers.
The WSJ reported on several pro-Palestinian stories that were allegedly false.
Maybe they aren’t false. Maybe they are. But Matt and Katie need to ask Abby about them.
I used to really like Abby, but the more I get to know her work it seems like she makes a lot of claims without offering solid evidence.
I, personally, am 100%
pro Palestinian- but it weakens our argument to not thoroughly address both sides in the discourse with solid evidence for our end.
Oh Please - Hamas started this conflict and clearly the Israelis want to shoot the last missile. Hamas - with Iran's and theBiden Administration's help - has already launched 3,000 into Israel. Joe Biden obliged by handing over $150 million to the Palestinians that Trump had cut off. There's just so much stupid in the Biden Administration's policies it boggles the mind.
Do Israel supporters have any other argument than “but Hamas”? Any? Occupation started in 1948- just FYI. There was no Hamas back then. And Joe Biden is sending Israel over $700 million worth of bombs. So he’s obviously on your side!
Biden sent another $250 million to the Palestinians which Trump had cut off - clearly Biden likes to spend taxpayer dollars : )
Hamas started this conflict? Oversimplify much?
not at all
Hamas started it? coincidentally when it's so politically expedient for Netanyahu's survival? he's been perfecting the art of instigating useful conflict through provocations on the temple mount since the 90's, it just works. Starting shit during Ramadan. + Sheikh Jarrah. Stop being ignorant, or go look for your humanity in the dumpster where you binned it
Nonsense. The so-called 'Palestinian Authority' are filthy traitors who collaborate with the Zionist entity, unlike the heroes of Hamas. They should have their funding cut off.
It’s disturbing how easily Israel and the Republican Party have co-opted and redefined the term “terrorism” to include only acts by non-state actors. It shouldn’t be forgotten that the word “terrorism” comes from the French Revolution and the “Reign of Terror,” when terror was used as an instrument of state policy. Terror was used to eliminate counterrevolutionary elements in the population, save France from anarchy and military defeat, and suppress hoarding and profiteering.